Runners often develop knee pain. Some make the mistake of rushing for an MRI of the knee too soon. If given enough time, cross-training, and physical therapy your knee pain will often subside. Degenerative “posterior horn meniscus tears” are very common in runners. Most runners will not need knee meniscus surgery… and most runners will be able to return to running. As a matter of fact, meniscus surgery in some runners might end their running career.
When a runner sees an Orthopedic Surgeon they may be referred for an MRI. Keep in mind. Virtually no one over 40 has a “normal” knee MRI. Upwards of 30-35% of runners over 50 have meniscus tears. Does a runner have to stop running because of a meniscus tear?
Runners are often inclined to jump for surgical options thinking they might be able to get back to running sooner. That might be the wrong decision.
That’s not the best strategy if you wish to continue running for years to come. As we discussed earlier in this blog, having a portion of your meniscus taken out can predispose you to develop arthritis of the knee. For every runner who might have done well following an arthroscopy, there are one or two who never went back to running. The key, as we will discuss is patience, and not making quick emotional decisions about how to treat your meniscus tear if you are an active runner.
So an MRI of a runner’s knee with pain might show a meniscus tear. Does that mean that the meniscus is the cause of pain? Does that mean that the runner needs surgery? Can they continue running?
Running is a great exercise. Runners are a unique breed of athlete to treat. Running is meditative and enables us to relax, as we hit our goal of exercising a few days per week. If we cannot run because of a meniscus tear or knee pain we will be very upset. As you can imagine this blog receives hundreds of private comments each month. The following questions appeared three times recently in slightly different formats… The questions centered around running and meniscus tears.
Most common questions from runners with a meniscus tear:
- Can I continue to run with a meniscus tear?
- Can I make a meniscus tear worse if I run?
- Will meniscus surgery help me run better?
As you know, we have two menisci in each knee, we discuss what a meniscus is here. Most meniscus tears, especially in runners tend to occur along the posterior horn of the medial meniscus. These tears tend to be degenerative tears, possibly (but not proven to be) associated with a long running career.
Runners and meniscus tears:
Meniscus tears can present in two different ways in runners. Whether or not you can run depends on which group you are in.
Group 1: Most runners find out that they have a medial meniscus tear because they go to an Orthopedic Surgeon’s office when their knee hurts after a run. Most runners do not recall any one particular injury- that’s why we call these degenerative meniscus tears.
This group of runners with a meniscus tear is often able to run. They have varying amounts of pain after the run, or during the run, especially if they run on a cantered road or a trail.
This group is most concerned with making the tear worse if they continue to run. They wonder if they can continue to run despite having a meniscus tear. Most of these runners only require a good explanation that running will not make things worse.
Group 2: Sometimes a runner presents with pain on the inner side of the knee or the back of the knee. The pain is severe enough that they cannot run, squat, pivot, or twist. These runners are concerned because they are not able to run. Because runners are so committed, and often “need to” run, they may overreact and choose the wrong treatment option.
What is causing the pain? Often times when these degenerative tears initiate or occur the knee pain will be more severe for a few weeks. Yes, a few weeks… perhaps even a month or two. The pain is usually due to synovitis (inflammation) which will often settle down over time.
Here’s how many runners get into trouble…
Runners rush into a docs office, they get an MRI, and surgery is scheduled before they give the pain a chance to improve on its own. A meniscus does not have nerves in it. The tear itself doesn’t hurt. The inflammation because of the tear and the nearby tissues the torn piece irritates. It may take 6-12 weeks or more for that inflammation from the meniscus tear to settle down.
And yes, the inflammation within the knee due to a meniscus tear in a runner can, and often does settle down without having surgery on the tear.
The research into these degenerative meniscus tears that often occur in runners has been pretty clear. The vast majority of runners are able to avoid meniscus surgery.
Having part of your meniscus removed as a runner could end a long running career. Surgery for a meniscus tear in a runner might help for a short while, but the loss of meniscus might initiate an arthritic process causing more degeneration within the knee. Runners, in general, have a lower incidence of arthritis than a non-runner — but not if part of the meniscus is removed.
Can I run with a meniscus tear?
First off… many if not most meniscus tears do not require surgery. Surgery will not prevent arthritis from occurring. On the contrary, osteoarthritis may actually worsen faster if a runner has meniscus surgery.
Many runners get back on the road, even elite runners, with a degenerative meniscus tear. If you have a mild ache during the run, or a mildly sore knee after a run then you can often continue running. There is very little risk that running will worsen the tear. Meniscus tears can always worsen… remember, this is a process of degeneration. The meniscus has been changing or wearing out for a decade.
That degenerating process won’t slow, even if you change to just walking. No one can promise you the tear will never become larger. That’s like guaranteeing you that you won’t need stronger glasses or won’t lose more hair as you age :-(.
You may wish to wear a compression sleeve during the run. Compression sleeves have been proven to improve knee pain and improve a sense of knee stability. If you run on a cantered road, perhaps change the direction you run. If you run single track trails perhaps run on carriage trails. Those little changes can make a big difference. Surgery for a meniscus tear in a runner should be considered only if:
- the pain continues beyond 3 months and is severe enough that you cannot run.
- your pain did not improve with appropriate physical therapy – yes it works.
- a compression sleeve does not improve your symptoms
- you waited at least 6-8 weeks for your knee to recover on its own.
- you have no evidence of moderate or severe osteoarthritis.
- your surgeon strongly believes that it is realistic that you could return to running after surgery.
Meniscus surgery in a runner.
If you are a runner and the pain you have from a meniscus tear is keeping you from doing what you love then there is a chance that surgery might be the right option for you. As long as you do not have confounding issues such as osteoarthritis then you might feel great after arthroscopy for your meniscus tear.
Runners with osteoarthritis and a meniscus tear are often considered a good candidate for a different procedure which I go into detail here.
But remember, there is a chance that you will not feel great after knee surgery for a meniscus tear. The decision-making variables here are key to ensure the best chance of success. Understand the principles of shared decision-making before signing the dotted line. Perhaps consider seeing an Orthopedic Surgeon who is also a runner.
Being an active trail/endurance runner gives me a much greater appreciation of just how important running is in your life!
When can I run after meniscus tear surgery?
Runners start to whither if we cannot run. I am one of you! I get it! But rushing back out onto the road is a recipe for a disaster if you return to running too soon. When a part of the meniscus is removed, the physics of how the knee works and the stress that certain parts of the knee are subject to change significantly.
You must allow for the knee to recover and get used to its new environment. That might mean returning to running at 4 weeks, or it might mean 6-8 weeks depending on the appearance of the other structures in your knee at the time of surgery. If you head back out on the road and your knee swells significantly then your knee is telling you that it is not ready.
Do your exercises and wait a few more weeks.
Plan on slowly adding your miles back. Plan on slowly adding to your pace. Do not plan on an intense interval, track or hill work for at least 3 months after meniscus surgery. Think long term… we are trying to prevent secondary damage to your knee and give you a longer running career.
Steve Cowlishaw
Great article and exactly what I have been looking for since because being recommended a knee Arthroscopy operation to “tidy up” a knee with MRI revealing a lateral meniscus tear and 1 cm of missing cartillage (non meniscus). This followed a couple of months of very conservative running following feeling a tweak in the knee getting out of the car, ending with overdoing it a bit and getting severe swelling in the knee lasting 8 days and incapacitating me for a couple of days.
I am very reluctant to have an op yet so it was great to read your article. The knee swelling has mostly gone and I am thinking that a period of time cross training and doing relevant knee strengthening exercises is the best course of action for me. ……. would you agree? Ps 50 year old 20 years of running 4 times a week.
Anu
Hello Dr. Howard. Thanks for writing these articles – really useful when people like us are looking for answers. I am 34 yrs old female, not exactly a runner but i started running back in Dec 2017 which only lasted for 2-3 months , after that I started experiencing some discomfort in my right knee. It was negligible at the time and would only come if I ran. That was Feb-Mar 2018. I tried running in between , but my PT advised not to so I gave up and took to morning walk and swimming. This was Apr- May 2018. During this time, the pain increased to last only during the activity but mostly ok on resting. But I was worried. I went to the first ortho doc , got 2 MRIs done (1 said curvilinear grade 2 signal seen in posterior horn of medial meniscus, the 2nd MRI said ” linear myxoid intrasubstance degeneration in posterior horn of medial meniscus without overt tear, also focal grade 2 chondral lesion at anteromedial femoral condyle with grade 1 changes elsewhere, most other articular cartilage intact’. First doc said wait out 6-8 weeks, gets synvisc injections and then arthroscopy if no improvement.Went to second doctor, didnt recommend surgery. Went to 3rd doc – he said unless your knee locks (it doesn’t thankfully), he said exercise and wait and watch. The thing is I have now waited out 2-3 months since June. I started strengthening exercises properly in late July. The situation is almost the same. Some better days, some not so good. I can walk around in the house but my walking endurance is 10-15 min after which it starts hurting. The pain intensity varies overall – sometimes no pain on resting, sometimes soreness on medial side, sometimes it hurts like 5/10, no pattern really and at times it goes to lateral side as well (example – I tried cycling today in 2 months for 10 min). The thing is now this issue has started in my left leg too! But it’s not as bad. I do get stiffness as well sometimes, heaviness in legs, ROM in right knee is 80 % but I can not kneel, squat as they really hurt. So, long story short – I am unable to go back to any activity and would like to atleast commence my walks and swim sessions. Please can you advice and how long does it take for PT to really work and suggest if PT is the way to go. I don’t want to go for surgery!! Thanks
Howard J. Luks, MD
THose MRI changes do not seem impressive. Perhaps PT would get you to where you want to be.
Good luck
Louisa
I’ve been reading along and watching your you tube postings relating to meniscus tears. I was recently dx’d with bakers cyst and MRI shows medial meniscus tear. The Ortho recommends surgery to “clip” the tear and remove the cyst. I’m 56 and run average of 10 miles/ week along with alternate cardio/weight training on opposite running days. My knee is slightly swollen at times and not painful to point where it prohibits me at this point from excersizing. The cyst causes an “ache” more than pain. I’m not 100% certain I want recommended surgery and now after watching your videos and reading your opinions – tend to feel mine might also be more degenitive arthritis type injury.
If I continue with my current excersize program do you feel the tear may worsen given my age/arthritis? The Ortho surgeon advises that the meniscus will not heal itself as there is no blood flow to tear to promote healing. Thank you
Howard J. Luks, MD
It’s true.. meniscus tears have no blood supply. That is why they tend to fray and degenerate as we age. They do not have the ability to heal themselves very well. Many runners are able to run with meniscus tears and have no pain or very little pain. Arthroscopic Surgery like you are considering is not a great answer for a degenerative tear in a middle age runner who doesn’t have terrible pain. Once a portion of the meniscus is removed during the surgery it is very likely that your arthritis will advance more rapidly. When a patient is contemplating surgery for a meniscus tear, in an arthritic knee, the research supports non- surgical management. In addition, the decision is a quality of life decision. That means that the decision is yours and should be based on the effect that the tear is having on your quality of life now. There is always a small chance that the tear will worsen. But that should not guide your decision. Arthritis is always a chronic progressive process… it will worsen slowly over time. Surgery now will NOT stop the arthritis from worsening, and might in fact speed up the rate at which you arthritis worsens.
Good luck in your decision making. Don’t rush this decision.
Becky B
Good Morning! I am grateful I found this site. I am a 57 year old marathon runner. I have previously had a medial meniscus repair on the right knee and a menisectomy on the left about 11 years ago. A couple of months ago just 2 miles into my run I felt a pop and I had to walk back home. The pain was terrible for a couple of days then fine and I was able to run. Long story short my knee continued to swell and I had pain getting up from sitting which comes and goes. I finally got a MRI with a dx of a Complex tear posterior horn with radial sided vertical and flap components associated with some extrusion of medial meniscal material in the medial recess. Doctor says it is non repairable and recommends smoothing it out so it won’t tear further. The odd thing is I can run without pain but its the swelling and clicking that bother me. I have full mobility. I am hesitant to have more meniscus removed but the doctor is worried about the tear ripping further. I would really appreciate advice! Thank you!
Howard J. Luks, MD
These flap tears can be annoying. The problem with these radial tears is they compromise the integrity of the entire meniscus from a functional perspective. These tears usually occur at the “root” of the meniscus. Some of these root tears are repairable, some are not. There’s no rush to make a decsision. If the flap remains bothersome you can have it trimmed back, but… unfortunately, these knees may develop arthritis fairly soon after radial tears. The only thing that might limit that would be if a repair was successful.
Robert Preston
Thanks for the wonderful articles. I’m a 50 year competitive marathon runner – I’ve completed 114 marathons and love running (my PR is 2:37). In March I had an MRI and was diagnosed with a tear posterior horn medial meniscus with a contusion posterior aspect medial tibial plateau (I got that from the MRI report). My doctor seemed to be more concerned about the bruise than the meniscus. I took 5 weeks completely off, just doing leg raises. It’s now been 8 weeks and my knee felt pretty good so I ran a little the last 2 days and it’s hurting today. I’ve never had swelling and can fully extend my knee with no problem. It doesn’t hurt going up and down stairs. I’m very frustrated and know I probably just need to be patient a little longer. Do you think dry needling helps? Also, when it comes to icing – is the ice massage with the Styrofoam cup the best way? After everything I’ve read, I think surgery would be a mistake. I’m just ready to start running again. Any advice or support would be appreciated.